Podcast Episode 8 – The Divine Feminine with Yogini Kamadevi

Michelle: Today you find me fresh from a really intriguing weekend experience with Kamadevi Carla Zurcher who has been here in Guernsey helping us to awaken our female intuition.

The story for this particular episode starts with a friend and colleague of mine who is on her own particular path to find out more of her female potential and on that quest she felt cool to go out to Goa. I think that was earlier this year.

Anyway, while she was there she met up with Kamadevi and was so inspired that she invited her to come over to Guernsey this last weekend.

Kamadevi has been offering yoga sessions, sadly I couldn’t go as I was out on the island on that day, but I did return in time to have one of her intuitive massages which was an amazing experience.

I felt certainly very much more awake and alive and tingling at the end of it and also to host an awakening women circle yesterday morning which we had six intrepid ladies plus ourselves, so nine in total who went on a morning experience to awaken our intuition.

I thought it was a fantastic opportunity while Kamadevi’s still on the island, she heads off tomorrow, to have a quick chat with her, find out more about her work, and see what we can all learn.


Michelle:                            Okay. Welcome, Kamadevi.

Kamadevi Carla:               Thank you, Michelle.

Michelle:                            The first thing we need to do is clear up that I pronounced your name incorrectly.

Kamadevi Carla:               So far it’s good. Kamadevi.

Michelle:                            Kamadevi.

Kamadevi Carla:               Carla.

Michelle:                            Carla.

Kamadevi Carla:               Zurcher.

Michelle:                            Zurcher. I call it Zurcha.

Kamadevi Carla:               No, you said Zukker.

Michelle:                            Zukker. I wonder whether that’s a Norwegian influence.

Kamadevi Carla:               If you have some background of my name.

Michelle:                            What’s the background of your name?

Kamadevi Carla:               My name, it’s Swiss-German.

Michelle:                            Right.

Kamadevi Carla:               Actually, literally means person from Zurich.

Michelle:                            Oh right. But I get from the accent that you’re not actually from Zurich?

Kamadevi Carla:               No I’m from Zimbabwe, it does start with a Z, but it’s on the other side of the world and Zukker is actually how people pronounce my name in Zimbabwe. The local people of Zimbabwe can’t quite get the Zurcher, so it’s Zukker.

Michelle:                            Zukker. Oh so I was channeling my inner Zimbabwean.

Kamadevi Carla:               Exactly.

Michelle:                            Oh, fantastic.

Kamadevi Carla:               Thank you for the memories.

Michelle:                            Well it’s absolutely lovely to have you here and we’ve had such a fantastic weekend. I’m dying to ask you lots more about your work because I’ve been on the experiencing end of it this weekend but without really understanding quite what it is you’ve been doing with us.

I’ve read your bio beforehand, you don’t seem to have had a conventional life so far. Do you want to tell us a little bit more about your childhood and where all this started?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes. The first thing that comes to me is, I was exposed to the world at a very young age.

My father was living in Switzerland and I was in Zimbabwe with my mother. Before that I was actually born in England, so for the first six years of my life I lived in England because my parents were separated, divorced. I was shared.

I grew up in Zimbabwe and I lived there. That was my home but I’d go on holidays once or twice a year to Switzerland to see my father. I travelled as a unaccompanied minor.

Firstly, I was always upgraded into first class which was a very privileged experience. I would have long conversations with very mature and characteristic people. Lots of charisma is what I wanted to say.

Gentlemen who I remember in his 60s drinking his whiskey, it was about 4:00 A.M. in the morning and we were having long conversations and I was all of seven years old.

I’d say that I was exposed to diversity of cultures, people, mindsets, ages, and so not conventional actually because I was out there from a young age and that permitted a open mind firstly, and then of course adolescence came and I wasn’t very happy with the norms.

Going to the Bible Club and having to this and having to do that and not really understanding anything of the depth of spirituality, but more being told to do something.

The norms and the religious spectrum and I started to say actually no, I don’t agree with this and already because I was fiercely individual with that short introduction I told you about travelling at a young age alone and I was out there.

I didn’t take nonsense from people and as soon as something didn’t resonate with me or sink in or feel meaningful I questioned it and I rebelled as well.

Michelle:                            What did that rebellion look like? Because I’m wondering how you got to India, you know? When you got to India?

Kamadevi Carla:               It’s all a progressive journey and everything is symbolic and significant and the rebellionism was out of hand, it looked out of hand.

It looked like free spirited as well, someone who was seeking their spirit, a seeker and who was questioning and pushing the limits to understand the depth and the depth was what is this energy? What is the universe? What are we made of? Where are we coming from?

I was asking existential questions at a young age, and I wanted to know what it was to be truly content because I wasn’t content, I wasn’t happy with these norms. I wasn’t happy with what the external world was presenting.

I had to deal with that directly first with my family and surely enough with school and the sudden patriarchal conditioning around that.

All the hierarchies and I believed that we should be autonomous from a young age. We should discover who we are, what is it to be? Instead of being told what will you become. Already accepting the person as they are and seeing what they have to offer from where they are here and now.

Michelle:                            You were educated in Zimbabwe?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes.

Michelle:                            Do you think being educated there was very different from being educated in England?

Kamadevi Carla:               It’s an old English system.

Michelle:                            All right. It wasn’t really the system that made you different. It was really you that were able to be in that system and not be of that system?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes, and of course Africa and post-colonialism comes with a lot of questions. You know, having your grandmother who still has certain separation values and discrimination and me being part of the born free, the Zimbabwe that is no longer the Rhodesia.

There’s a lot of trauma that is there from the war. From the first settlers being of my grandparents, their parents, and we being a very liberal generation and recreating what it is to be a white African and what it is to be simply African as a collective.

You either have to step up your game and confront that or else you just become conditioned and you become a replicate of this old colonial, the more negative imprint I would say.

And so that was also something I didn’t agree with. I didn’t agree with parties happening and people speaking negatively about a black person or a colored person. I stood up against that and of course my rebellious nature at a given moment decided well I’ll have a boyfriend of a different race and that didn’t go down very well either.

I was really questioning those things and through that I was understanding myself and how to position myself in that.

Michelle:                            This helped in terms of your journey of awakening?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes.

Michelle:                            To really start testing the barriers, pushing the limits, and not accepting what were the norms for you in the country at the time.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah. I felt magnetized to everything that was of depth.

Meditation came very young. I already started to do guided visual meditations when I was 12.

I mean prior to that when I was really young, six years old, I would go to my father’s office with my drawing book. I would draw his colleagues, doing us in those yoga postures rather than being on their typewriter.

It was already in the subconscious. It was already part of my destiny.

Prior to that as a toddler living in England, I was brought up in a haunted house so I was already exposed to the spirit world. I had an encounter with a ghost. It was up until the point that I actually decided I wouldn’t run away from the spooky sounds at night and face her.T hat I was able to release the spirit because she just wanted to be recognized and that’s something to really, to face when you … to all of that, to recognize the unknown.

Back to being the teenager who then came to understand a bit more about Buddhism and I questioned also what were the different religions. I read a bit of the Quran, I started to look into the Kabbalah, and to Sufism.

All the esoterism within religion, and realizing that religion is certain a system, once again, a norm that is programming the human race to behave and to be and to act in a socially correct manner. Politically correct way.

It’s all a system of control and oppressing people because humans have a huge capacity of which we don’t tune into.

Our education system hasn’t given the fruits, given the juiciness of our deeper source, the universal connection, the sacred, the mystical, and this mystical is then demystified when you are in experience of it. Until then, it’s something far away.

Michelle:                            Have you followed a particular spiritual path or an eclectic?

Kamadevi Carla:               I would say that it’s a spiritual path that is being cultivated from within.

I’ve been in periods connected to certain paths, like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the art of living in the very early stages. An excellent, it’s an organisation with a living master. He’s still a guru today, but again, it’s a big organisation. With a system.

After a while I didn’t want to really be part of that system. I connected to what I needed to connect to. I awakened what I had to realize within myself. I received wonderful tools and insights, and I digested them and was able to integrate that into my own expression, and I said, thank you, and went on.

At a point where I could see they were trying to get me on-board and get me to do this, and I didn’t feel once again good in my skin about that.

A lot of respect and love, and I moved on.

Then eventually heading to India when I was 19, was the major turning point in my life, which many sequence of events, and wonderful stories that led me to eventually meet my Guruji, my spiritual mother. Her main teaching was to awaken the guru within me. That’s her work. She awakens the master within her disciples or students.

That is the real purpose of the spiritual teacher. Not so much what we see a lot of today, which are big organisations where everyone is following and caught and then trapped. There are traps within that.

Michelle:                            Very much in terms of awakening within you the knowledge that you’re on your right path.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah.

Michelle:                            Yeah?  The transmission comes from the guru, and you receive it, and you get that knowledge.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah.

Michelle:                            Yes.

Kamadevi Carla:               The transmission comes in many different forms.

The guru knows what is the best nourishment, the best food for your soul, and at that time, I went through a lot of past lives. Actually because I had come into this life with a lot of baggage, a lot of mixed emotions, and things that were not making sense, the piece of puzzle weren’t really in this puzzle was picture.

I was able to recognize and let go of certain things that had no significance here, and incorporate certain qualities of my characters then that do have significance that are helping me to go forward in my life, and have certain confidence in refining the nature that I have here.

Emersions, she calls them as well.

Michelle:                            Yeah.  So how is the yoga connected to that?

Kamadevi Carla:               Well, yoga’s the union of mind, body, and soul, and that is the temple.

When we talk people do confuse yoga with religion. It’s not a religion. It’s a non-sectarian practice, and through your experiential, direct connectivity with your mind, body, and soul that you are paving this path of yoga.

As I said, yoga was already within the subconscious and it came through to the conscious for myself in all these little examples I’ve given, and then I started practicing the asanas, the postures when I was 15, again, in Zimbabwe with a wonderful teacher from India.

He was part of the Indian community and offering karma-yoga, so donation based, and he was very genuine hatha yoga. You got all the right tools in that. You got the Jnana, the knowledge part of yoga. The Bhakti, the devotional side of yoga. The asanas, the postures. The kriya, the energy. The pranayama, the breath and the pratyahara, the concentration. The disconnection from the external factors so that you can have that foundation to really practice on.

Michelle:                            What’s makes your yoga different from the other yoga teachers? I know it’s probably difficult to know what the other yoga teachers are doing, but in general speaking.

Kamadevi Carla:               I try to emanate and transmit the authentic lineage of yoga. Respecting a very, very ancient history of great sages, reishis, yogis, masters, saintly beings that have walked this path, and honoring that lineage, and continuing in this contemporary world we live in and making it plausible for others to understand.

So that comes through my own creative side. I’m an artist as well, visual artist, that’s my degree is in that, but that’s just one thing. I was already an artist before, and this quality of art and applying the art into the here and now.

The art of making it plausible for others where they are.

Connecting individually to people and where they’re ready to go within yoga, and when you journey in yoga and you develop the mind, and the body, and the soul, the energies, your expansion into faith as well, you start to receive what we call siddhis.

Siddhis are powers. Powers of the mind, which can be misused or are misused in many lineages of yoga. The Naga Babas, which is quite a dark side of yoga, you could say.

There, when you receive the quality of the higher mind, you can really tune in to where people are and where they’re ready to go, and that’s where intuition’s playing its place as well. That’s where it finds its anchor.

Michelle:                            You’re tuning into the person energetically?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah.

Michelle:                            You’re not just looking at where their leg and their arm and their waist are.

Kamadevi Carla:               Exactly.

Michelle:                            You’re feeling into their energy field and are you sending them different energies? Or are you just reading them and knowing where they’re going or where they need to go?

Kamadevi Carla:               I do actually, now that you put it like that, and I like to hear to it, because it sounds really sincere. Yes, but it happens on the subconscious level before.

That’s why I’m saying I like to hear it because now the mind is registering that in a more rational way.

Energetically this is what is occurring because when you are giving a class, you are in a state of consecration, offering the fruits of your action to the greater good towards sentient beings, to our ecology, to planet earth so that the ego is not in this picture.

Because a lot of yoga today coming into what we’re talking about, unfortunately is very focused on the acrobatics, and the trend, and the hipster culture.

That again, is a deviation from yoga. Negative, positive, this is duality, okay, it’s great.

We can expose yoga as much as possible, and people can eventually find their root, so it’s not particularly negative, but there is a lot of misuse of yoga and misguidance in yoga, and people are having physical injuries.

They’re getting even more burnt up because they’re just over exerting themselves, and the adrenaline glands are going crazy, and it’s because the person teaching is not in tune to where the person is ready to go.

What kind of character? Do they have too much masculine energy? Too much feminine energy? How is their body language? Am I receptive enough to tune into this person? Are they trusting me? It’s a dialogue on all levels.

Michelle:                            It sounds like you need a relatively small class then to really do that, or can you do it on a bigger class?

Kamadevi Carla:               It’s true that a relatively manageable class is more precise from a point of view of what we’re talking about, really channeling the energies, and engaging with everybody.

When it’s a larger class, it does create a different dynamic, but when you’re spirit is established, it holds the space. It’s all prevailing at the end of it.

Michelle:                            You can hold it as a group field?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah. Yeah, that’s it.

Michelle:                            Thank you. Let’s talk about intuition. You mentioned it briefly there in terms of the yoga. I had this fantastic massage from you on Saturday, I think it was, and I could feel with my energy field that you were reading it. How do you do that? What kind of information do you get out?

Kamadevi Carla:               Well, first, I always start from the place of consecration because whenever the mind and the ego’s involved it’s very hard to connect to another being, so the foundation.

I then just go into it. It’s difficult to verbalize, but there’s really … I mean besides that I’m initiated and reiki, and I’ve been blessed to have had amazing transmission from my guruji through that reiki process.

She opened my chakras. She told me, “Okay, your chakras are now open. We also need to slowly close them because you can’t really go into the world with all your chakras open.” What does that mean on a physical tangible level. I was really guided in understanding and even before that happened, I had an experience with the opening of my vishuddha chakra.

I had a clairvoyance see me when I just arrived in India, and he had told me that it was time that I opened up into the cosmic realm, which is the intuitive realm, and that’s where all my potential lies from point of view of my artistic nature, my poetic nature because I love to write.

I do mystic writings. I have a lot of abilities and it was really about connecting to the variety of abilities, and then pinpointing how am I going to be dedicated and pave that way because it was all over this play, all over this space around me at the age of 19 then.

In short, he gave me a special stone, which was cut and prepared in a special way. After 15 days, I had to unwrap it, and do my own little ceremony, and he said after I do this, I would unleash the potential of this vishuddha, this throat chakra, this intuition, this artist, this dancer.

Surely enough, that happened. I did my ceremony in my unique manner as he said, and then I bought canvas, I painted. I was living in Rajasthan, on the City Palace, Udaipur, on the lake of the City Palace. And,  I painted, and I wrote, and I danced, and I felt so connected to my creativity, which was all coming from this intuitive channel from the universe.

To be in tune literally. To tune in. To tune into what? To higher dimension, a higher frequency, which is what? It is an all prevailing consciousness. Which is what? Which whatever word you like. Divinity. Energy. Universe.

Michelle:                            Yeah, and I’m sitting here going, ah, yeah, what about me and the rest of the people? Do we need to go to India?

Kamadevi Carla:               No. You don’t need to go to India. You just need to go within.

Michelle:                            I think I’ve heard that before.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes, it does sound like cliché, but a lot of people, the cliché of people: I’m going to India to find my guru.

You’ll find a lot of charlatans because there are many out there waiting for those people. It’s tourism. Spiritual tourism is huge.

It’s really about listening within, tuning in to this portal, which is what all spiritual paths have said. Know thyself before you can know another. Look within. Love thyself before you can love another. This is the heart and soul of the simplicity of it.

When we can do that, we will be guided where we have to go. Could be Mongolia. Could be your back garden. Could be your kitchen, India, wherever, but it’s destiny. It fits in place. It feels right and you trust and you go, and there’s a lot of the fear factor because you’re going out of maybe what is a comfortable zone, or you’re stepping into the unknown, and the unknown is this realm.

This consciousness, this divine embrace, and the more we can tune in into that expansive energy, we release.

We release the conditions. We release the tensions, the traumas, the uneasiness and we are less contracted. We are more expansive, and that’s when our energy channel start to open up. We connect more to the earth energy, the water energy, the fire energy, the air, the aether, the throat chakra, perception, the third, beyond the five elements and beyond, into bliss.

These are these energy centers we call chakras, and when we practice yoga, we go deep into this experience because when you practice it, you experience it, and then you start to believe, and you become.

Michelle:                            Yesterday, we spent some time getting grounded and connected with ourselves before you invited us to go out into the garden and spend some time on our own just really being in the moment and feeling in, and seeing. That was for us to start to making that turn inwards to connect with ourselves?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes. Definitely. The dynamic of moving from the internal and external. The play of duality, again, because ideally this is what the yogas, the union, the non-dual and namaste, the gesture of placing the hands in this mudra together in front of the heart means I bow into the divine in you, and when I do so, I bow into the divine in myself.

This practice of recognizing the divinity within us all, and when you are in a state of consecration, you are surrendering yourself. You are letting go of any façade, anything that’s being conditioned to create your identity, your name, etc.

You are beyond the small eye, the ego eye. You’re the larger eye.

The practices of the introspection and the ultraspection is permitting one to start to feel into the spaces, the different spaces.

How do I feel when I eye gaze for 15 minutes? What does that awaken in me? Is it fair? Is it grief? Is it joy? Is it sensual energy? What are the energies? How am I embracing them? How am I expressing them? Am I suppressing them? You start to become a witness of yourself.

This is when higher mind starts to develop. Then when you start to have those experiences, you are exercising your intuitive capacities, and so this dynamic of the internal and the external is very important to eventually bring someone to deep stage of relaxation, shavasana, final relaxation.

The corpse pose, which is very symbolic of the death, life and death. Practicing yoga to understand death. The end of it all. We do all these asanas, all these movements, all these breath, and then we just lie in the dead pose.

Michelle:                            Yeah.

Kamadevi Carla:               To come to this union, because when we die, we would like truly to feel complete.

Michelle:                            Sure.

Kamadevi Carla:               My life has been meaningful. I have offered the gifts that I can, that I was brought here to give.

If there’s pain, there’s now forgiveness.

If I’ve not been able to accept it, hopefully in those last moments you can, because then if you believe in reincarnation, you will go into another life too, then again, try to go beyond those things. Those challenges will come because you are capable of going through those challenges.

Michelle:                            That really resonated with me when you were talking about your life having meaning, and I really got a strong hit then of oh, yes, we yearn to fill our potential. That’s the whole thing, that female potential is here to try to help people support in all different ways, in all eclectic ways. Yeah, that really resonated with me.

Talking about the feminine, we did some work yesterday where we were connecting with our yonis, in service of connecting with the divine feminine. You talk about the divine feminine a lot in your work.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah because, again, without connecting and trusting from your divine feminine, it’s hard to also recognize the divine masculine, which are the dualities. We are here as woman. We connect with men, etc. It’s an exchange of energies, so without knowing yourself as woman, or without knowing yourself as a man, it’s very hard to know the other, so loving the self.

Michelle:                            But don’t we in normal society, we’re meeting the distorted feminine is meeting the distorted masculine?

Kamadevi Carla:               Well, yes. This is the effect of cause and effect and resonance. The more we fine tune ourselves, the more we’re going to connect with more divinity, more sacredness, more openness.

Michelle:                            Are you saying that if we as women can connect with our divine feminine more, then we will somehow pull towards us more the divine masculine?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah.

Michelle:                            Right.

Kamadevi Carla:               You will connect with the masculine in a much more significant way, uplifting way, and you’ll be able to co-create from that as well because it’s the two dualities.

When those two dualities meet, we have friendship, brother-sister, father-daughter, intimate relationship.

All these dynamics we have will become so much more significant for our evolution, and will therefore offer others the insight and the inspiration on the subconscious level, and the visible level.

Michelle:                            If I were to … Sorry, I’m wanting things to be simple, and I know they’re not simple, which is why it’s difficult to really find words for a lot of this stuff, but in terms of the divine feminine, how do we know that we’re connecting to the divine feminine? What are the properties, and likewise, when you see the divine masculine rather than the distorted masculine, how do you recognize it?

Kamadevi Carla:               Most simply, it’s in the physical.

There’s a sense of eminence, light. A woman is naturally more curvy, so she’s connected to the natural movement which is a sacred figure of eight, the infinite number, which connects from the earth Shakti, creation, the feminine force to shiva.

The conscious or prevailing energy, infinite energy, and it’s moving. It’s gracious. It’s flowing. It’s bountiful. It’s vivacious. It’s vivacity. It’s alive and she’s not hiding. She’s not ashamed of being a woman because a culture has shun a woman away from being the vivacity that they are.

Michelle:                            Absolutely. We’ve had 5,000 years in patriarchy, which has put women down, put them into a second place. What you’re saying is it’s really our self-belief to be fully in our feminine even if we are in a corporate situation?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah, because it’s your right. It’s your gown. It’s a gown that’s constantly changing.

Life is constantly changing, so a woman is able to express that and to feel into that, and not be ashamed of saying this is my boundary, and today, I don’t really have boundaries, I’m more open and less resistant.

Today I’m a little more reserved because I’m a bit more sensitive, and I need to listen to my sensitivity and not be ashamed of your sensitivity, because we’re very emotional creatures. The more we can connect to the emotions as motion, constantly moving, we get into the flow.

Michelle:                            Yeah, and what I’m hearing that you talk about there is moon cycles and women work in cycles, and they’re going to be different in different points of the month, but not being ashamed of that.

Just being able to be with the flow rather than I think what in our way we’ve got in our society that we push against the flow.

Kamadevi Carla:               And due to that, woman are neurotic, and all over the place, and the dynamic between the woman and the man is very dysfunctional because the woman doesn’t know herself. Doesn’t understand all the motions, and how to be with him. How to be more self loving when she requires more self love.

When to go into nature and abandon herself, and walk in the forest for hours and forget about the time. When to be with her family and cook and embrace that moment, when not to. You know, it’s all this question of balance.

Michelle:                            Yeah, and I just don’t see where that balance really fits, to be honest, in a Guernsey woman’s life who’s working full time and she’s got a couple of kids, and is barely holding it all together.

The ability to go off into the woods for a few hours probably is non-existent.

Kamadevi Carla:               Well, it’s really a question of initiative, I would say.

We do have to have the initiative in our life to say certain things aren’t working out for me. I’m not a great mother because I’m dysfunctional and I don’t want my children to grow up with this burden.

On the contrary, I want to be more of a conscious woman, a conscious mother with a conscious family with children that are not traumatized from my own issues, and I would love to be a woman and not a woman’s body stuck with a child, and then a child that’s screaming to get out, and having all the coping mechanisms of when I was a little girl.

I’m no longer a little girl, so what am I that’s transitioned into this beautiful stage of maturity as a woman or as a mother, and for that, initiative has to be there to create the time, and we can create the time when something is of a necessity in life.

Michelle:                            What’s coming up with me really is there’s no short way of doing this. We’ve got to do our inner work. We’ve got to work with all the presenting issues. Our egoic nature. We’ve got to do a lot of that seeing what’s in the way and trusting ourselves, so that we can start to learn to drop into this divine feminine space.

Is that a fair summary?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah, this is a good way to express.

What came up when you were saying that is the body needs attention, the mind needs attention, and the soul needs attention, and if we’re not giving attention to all these three aspects, we are not in the expression of our sacredness, of our full potential, and we will always feel limited and when we feel limited and we don’t feel like we’re living our lives from a place of purpose, we’re belittling ourselves and the ones around us.

In this world today, the most important thing we can offer the world is tuning into this autonomous expression of …

Michelle:                            Our full potential.

Kamadevi Carla:               That’s right, yeah.

Michelle:                            Yeah. Wow. Gosh. I’m really called on so many different levels, and I could ask you so many more different questions, but I realise our time is drawing to a close.

Tell me, what’s next for you? Your leaving Guernsey tomorrow. Where are you off?

Kamadevi Carla:               I have quite a busy schedule. I’m going to be in Poland for a three-day yoga, hatha yoga workshop, which is all about awakening the sacred feminine within a hatha yoga practice.

Michelle:                            Oh, I want to come.

Kamadevi Carla:               It’s a really great transition from this time in Guernsey working with all these beautiful women.

Michelle:                            Oh, that could be something you could do over here maybe.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

Michelle:                            Maybe a three-day workshop where we can learn to do yoga in a different way maybe.

Kamadevi Carla:               Well, hatha yoga’s considered to be very much a masculine practice. I mean hatha is power in essence. It’s force, but it’s not only masculine that has to be the receptor because when you do a posture, you need to receive the energy for it to be well digested.

It’s really putting importance onto that and bring a little bit more softness, and more meditative awareness into the practice.

Then after that, I will be in Prague visiting one of my students who I’m co-creating a yoga nutrition workshop within Morocco next year, which is due in June for one week, and she’s an amazing cuisine shaman.

She cooks very organic and conscious eating foods, and she’s very in tune to mother earth and the abundance that mother earth offers us, and how to keep healthy with that, with the food, nutrition.

Then I will be back in Switzerland, last moments with my family.

Then in Beirut. I offer three weeks of intuitive massage there. Then I’m back in India and working, offering creative yoga, intuitive flow.

Michelle:                            I saw on the website that you’re doing a month-long, is it a tantra yoga training?

Kamadevi Carla:               Yes, that’s exactly that. It’s a 200-hour tantra yoga teacher training certified in conjunction with Yogini Gopika. She’s an amazing friend of mine. She’s offered already five teacher training, and she wanted me to be on-board, and so we’ve recreated the syllabus together.

We’ve shared important … I’m actually going to be giving intuitive massage module one. I’ve started to decide that I’m going to train people to tune into this intuition, and become more autonomous, and discover what sacred touch is.

Michelle:                            Do you already need to be a yoga teacher to do your training?

Kamadevi Carla:               Well, it works in harmony. I’ve decided that the intuitive massage modules will come with yoga practice. It’s interlinked.

If you decide to discover intuitive massage and do the modules, you will have retreats with me, yoga retreats, intuitive massage sessions, direct and personal work through this different hemispheres, and then very specific theory and practice around the subject itself.

I’ve incorporated that into the syllabus, and the wonderful, exciting, I’m very excited and honored, news is that my guruji is going to be coming for the first two weeks of the tantra yoga teacher training.

We will have her presence. She’ll be giving satsang, discourse, and her singing. She’s got this feral voice, which takes people really into the depths of their heart and opens up a lot of channels.

Michelle:                            I think I might just be coming to Goa in February.

Kamadevi Carla:               Wow. I’d like to see you there.

Michelle:                            It sounds fabulous.

Oh, thank you so much for coming over and giving us a quite a unique experience last weekend, and we really hope to see you some more this way on your global travels.

Kamadevi Carla:               Wonderful. Thank you, Michelle for this first podcast.

Michelle:                            Yeah. There might be another one next year.

Kamadevi Carla:               Yeah.

Michelle:                            Thank you ever so much, and namaste.

Kamadevi Carla:               Namaste.



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